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Three of the five members of the City Council's Committee on Oversight and Investigations now agree that there should be an investigation of this, and of the failure of the FDNY radios on 9/11. The other two simply could not be reached. This could be real trouble for Candidate Rudy. As a follow up to my story on the emerging Rudy Giuliani scandal that broke earlier this week, I contacted several New York City political figures for comment. Specifically, I contacted the five members of the Oversight and Investigations Committee, chaired by Councilman Eric Gioia. Mike Nelson, the senior member of that committee, defended Rudy in my earlier story. Gioia, you may recall, has promised an investigation into the Motorola contract and the failure of FDNY radios during the 9/11 attacks. I'm still trying to schedule a talk with Gioia, but I did interview Nelson and Councilmember Gale Brewer for this story, and they both agree that an investigation of the former Mayor's travel expenses is in order, and Nelson has promised to pursue that with his committee. The intersection of the two cod overnight tramadol paints an uncomfortable picture. The Motorola radios that the city purchased for $14 million, an average of $5185.00 per radio, failed in April of 2001, and the original radios were redistributed. Meanwhile, the Politico investigation shows Rudy jaunting off for weekends in the Hamptons right up until the first week in September, 2001. The juxtaposition highlights the level of priority given the problem with the radios, which were not even replaced until February, 2001. Here are excerpts from my interviews with the Councilmembers. Click the picture to hear them in their entirety on my Youtube channel. Councilmember Gale Brewer, Democrat, has been on the council since 2002, winning re election with 86 and 80 percent of the vote in 2003 amd 2005, respectively. She is the chair of the Committee on Technology in Government. Much of our interview was duplicated or confirmed in Mike Nelson's interview, so I will not be excerpting it here. Councilman Mike Nelson, Democrat, has served on the City council since 1999. Then Mayor Rudy Giuliani endorsed Nelson in his run for City Council. Nelson is the senior member of the Committee on Oversight and Investigations. Tommy Christopher: You initially defended Giuliani when the Politico story broke. What's your reaction now that some more facts have come out? Mike Nelson: At face value, it's my understanding that that would happen with almost any elected official. If his family or friens, even, were threatened, they'd have to supply the security. Otherwise, if it came out that somebody was assaulted or killed, it would be, "How could they not have been protected if they knew there were death threats against them. Tommy Christopher: Are you referencing the detail for Judith Nathan? Mike Nelson: Right. Now, how appropriate it was, I don't know...if she was threatened, it is appropriate, but that'll have to be sorted out. I guess if Eric Gioia calls a committee hearing on this, then we'll see in detail, and the committee will render a decision, not that it's binding. Tommy Christopher: Right now, nobody's saying she was threatened, and it looks like she was being chauffered around on the public dime. Don't you think that's worth investigating? Mike Nelson: Yes. If it was found that there was no threat, then it would all have to be repaid, (notwithstanding) how any other government agency would react, if there was no credible threat there would at least need to be repayment. Tommy Christopher: Well, the allegation is there now, so do you call for an investigation? Mike Nelson: Yes, Eric Gioia and the committee will be looking into it,...it should be absolutely looked into, something like that nobody could gloss over and say "OK, no problem!" Tommy Christopher: Does your committee have subpoena power, could you subpoena Rudy or Judith Nathan? Mike Nelson: Once we get into it, we could find out more what powers we have, but I think the State would do it (issue the subpoenas) Tommy Christopher: On Thursday, the Giuliani campaign released a statement to me from Joe Lhota saying, essentially, that the funds had been repaid to the agencies, so it was all OK. First of all, there's been no documentation showing the agencies were repaid, but secondly, even if the monies were repaid, this bizarre accounting practice would seem to only serve the purpose of concealing the relationship with Judith Nathan. What are your thoughts on that? Mike Nelson: I would hope that was not the case, but if it turns out it was meant to be buried for a long time, maybe forever, that would of course be improper. On 9/11: Tommy Christopher: The president said that when he saw the first plane hit, he thought, "Man, that's one terrible pilot." That's always bothered me, because it doesn't seem like any reasonable person could think that. Mike Nelson: I don't think anybody in government would, it was a clear day. Tommy Christopher: So, do you think the President was being disingenuous or is he really stupid enough to think someone could accidentally fly into the World Trade Center? Mike Nelson: He certainly seemed like a klunkhead, I mean, watching him just sitting there in that classroom was just so distressing...And then Giuliani went on TV, and he was soconfident and inspiring..."America's Mayor", I think Chirac called him, and it reminded me of how Winston Churchill was during the blitzkrieg of London. Tommy Christopher: I don't think anyone disputes that Giuliani, especially in contrast to the president, was able to provide a morale boost, I don't think anybody would not credit him with that. Given the unprecedented nature of the event, he could certainly be forgiven for making mistakes or decisions that didn't work out in hindsight. The problem is, instead of admitting mistakes and asking forgiveness, he campaigns on the issue, and I think that's what makes some people angry. How would you respond to that? Mike Nelson: Aside from the ultra left wing who, if he gave a million dollars to every disabled child would still hate him, aside from them...the firefighters, the PD, all the other people, maybe they do have legitimate reasons to dislike him and his actions. If I was on the receiving end of Rudy Giuliani, I probably would not be speaking to you right now, so I understand it. He came across, in a lot of respects, as just cold. Tommy Christopher: In your comments Thursday, you referenced the large contract as being perhaps an emergency measure. Mike Nelson: That's my understanding of it, and if something falls through, you have to use what you have, and it's tragic that they did not have the most up to date, sophisticated machinery, you know, after the bombing in 93'... Tommy Christopher: That's the thing, the radios failed in '93, why did it take until 2001 to get the new radios, and they had to do it with this "emergency contract", why wait so long? Mike Nelson: I don't know if this falls directly on his lap, but since he's the mayor of the entire city, it could be argued that it was his fault that it wasn't done sooner. Tommy Christopher: But as a guy who campaigns on being Mr. Law and Order, why would he not spearhead that effort? Mike Nelson: If he didn't do it quickly enough, that...needs to be understood, because that frustrated the hell out of me. Tommy Christopher: Well, and a $14 million contract for 2700 radios, that works out to about $5100.00 per radio. That's a lot for a radio, what, did they have iPods in 'em? Mike Nelson: (laughs) Idon't know, it seems to be a lot more money than it should be, especially in a bulk amount... Tommy Christopher: And when the radios failed a few weeks later, what happened to the $14 million, did Motorola return that to the city? Mike Nelson: That also should be absolutely looked into...if for no other reason than that we don't want this to happen here or anywhere else again. Tommy Christopher: What did you think of Rudy's reaction at the debate, basically passing the buck to the cops in his security detail? Mike Nelson: I don't really know what goes on at that level, the Police Commissioner should have reported it properly, but ultimately, the buck stops with the Mayor...He should have at least known about it. Tommy Christopher: It's my understanding that Rudy has made millions of dollars in speaking engagements. Robert Greenwald says at one point he was making a million dollars a day. If it was your loved one who died on 9/11, and you felt it was as a result of his mistakes, how would that make you feel? Mike Nelson: Well, I never really had a problem with it, but faced with the question, maybe he could have donated some of it to a fund for victim's families... Tommy Christopher: There was a lawsuit by families of the firefighters against Motorola and the city, and it was dismissed, saying they had waived their right to sue when they accepted money from a victim's compensation fund. That effectively ends their effort to get accountability on this, in the form of punitive damages, so don't you think that your committee's investigation could be their last chance at that? Don't you feel a responsibility? Mike Nelson: I do hope that we can get something that at least mkaes them somewhat happy. I have to contact Councilman Gioia about that. Tommy Christopher: The investigation that Gioia has promised, did you know it was as a result of a petition with over 20000 signatures,that was organized by Brave New Films? Do you think Gioia is sincere, or was he appeasing them, or trying to grab headlines? Mike Nelson: I think he is sincere. He is a very hard working and effective councilmember. I can't see him not wanting to do this, especially with all of those signatures. Tommy Christopher: I haven't spoken with Councilmembers Liu and Lappin, the remaining members of your committee, but do you think they will support these cod overnight tramadol? Mike Nelson: Oh sure, they are both very active, ambitious, and...passionate. Tommy Christopher: What do you think would be the timeline in terms of knowing when and how these cod overnight tramadol will move forward, when we could follow up? Mike Nelson: The possibility exists that I could talk to him this weekend, but definitely by Monday or Tuesday. The audio will be available shortly, I'm still processing it. I encourage you to check it out. These quotes were pulled from an hour long interview, and it was a remarkably unguarded conversation, covering a wide range of topics. I will be following up on the status of these cod overnight tramadol as they progress. Stay tuned. Comments [7] Permalink Share: IM Email LinkedBlogs Read Related Articles ... cod overnight tramadol